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- February 21, 2018 at 3:45 pm #10116AnonymousInactive
so what are your thoughts on a possible rule change that forfeits are 8 points and pins are 6? I like it. Now, the kid that always gets pinned can actually help his team.February 21, 2018 at 4:09 pm #10118AnonymousInactive
Negative ghost rider. You shouldn’t penalize a team simply because they cannot fill a weightclass. Isn’t the automatic 6 pts. punishment enough?February 21, 2018 at 7:53 pm #10120AnonymousInactive
Terrible idea. How bout going to college out off bounds rules, stalling and exposure rules instead.February 22, 2018 at 8:30 am #10123AnonymousInactive
Tell me this isn’t going to be a rule….Take for instance I’m a program getting started with only 8 wrestlers,Seven out of 8 are studs and #8 is good…We wrestle a team with all 14,in the match my 7 studs Pin and ol trusty 8 gets his 3 points,but after we add our 8 wins up and 6 forfeits we loss 48-45.Ridiculous!
I agree with above,let’s try and focus on getting some Referee training clinics and learn what Stalling is and some consistent out of bounds call.
Let’s just make a Rule and let me bump some of my studs up and wrestle 2xs in the same match to fill a weight so I can win all my Duals,then we might run into that stupid 45 minute rule IDK.HaFebruary 22, 2018 at 1:47 pm #10124AnonymousInactive
How about a FFT is worth more if you have a kid weighed in at the weight?February 22, 2018 at 2:06 pm #10125AnonymousInactive
Here is the suggested Rule:
6. Do you agree with the following proposed “forfeit rule?” Yes/No
Eight (8) team points are awarded when the opposing team forfeits a weight class despite having weighed in at least one wrestler at that weight. A wrestler may move up one weight class to cover what would overwise be a forfeit at the higher weight class without penalty.
Rationale: This rule will reduce the incidence of forfeits in our sport and will result in a more fan & media friendly sport. *
So if you weigh a kid in at the weight and don’t wrestle him. If you weigh him at 106 and bump him to 113 to cover a hole in your line up it’s still only 6. If you straight up FF it’s 8. What happens if he gets injured during the day? He weighed, can’t wrestle. That’s eight points. I don’t like this. I know most of us try very hard to fill our line ups with quality kids.February 22, 2018 at 7:10 pm #10130AnonymousInactive
Horrible idea. What jack legs are on this committee? If we really want to improve our sport try looking at the following:
1) Any injury time out will result in a 1 point penalty and the non injured wrestler will get his choice of positon following the timeout. This would eliminate the kids and the programs that use injury timeouts as a water break.
2) call stalemates as quick as they do in college. If there is no improvement blow the whistle.
3) understand what stalling is and then call it.
4) hold our officials more accountable. have a grading system and only allow the best to officiate not only state but other tournaments as well.
5) adopt the college 4 point nearfall. reward the kids that are trying to score
To me these will help our sport way more than a 8 pt forfeitFebruary 23, 2018 at 2:56 pm #10135AnonymousInactive
This is a terrible idea for several reasons. What happens if my kid gets injured in a previous match, we are now being extra penalized for injuries? Secondly, if I have an first year wrestler, should I put them up against a multi time state placer or champ that likes to be a bully in the match? I am not saying there is anything wrong with a kid being mean, but why would I send a kid out who might get hurt? To those who say they shouldn’t be wrestling if that’s the case, not every team has hammers all the way through their lineups, and I will wrestle that kid if there is an opportunity for them to not get broken. Wrestling is not thriving, we are in trouble because of football as always and now lacrosse as well. We are losing athletes to other sports or video games. Do we really want to drive more kids off before they come to love the sport as much as we do?
The previous points do not even include the coaching aspect. If I have two 152 one is pretty good and the other one is awful, but they have a state champ in their weight and the kid the next weight up is beatable and I forfeit one of the weights (see previous paragraph for why I forfeit), guess which one I am choosing to forfeit? For those who may not agree with this viewpoint, are we not also trying to win duals if we are able? As the great Herm Edwards once said “we play to win the game.” Tactics win battles, but strategy wins wars.February 23, 2018 at 4:45 pm #10139AnonymousInactive
I understand this rule. I feel there are several coaches in our state that do not recruit as well as they could. Basically, you only wrestle for them if you are a stud. They would rather forfeit than see a kid get pinned. No at least a kid getting pinned does not hurt as bad as a forfeit. And this would kill us, we lost almost every dual this year because of four forfeits. 300 boys and I can’t get 20 to come out……February 23, 2018 at 6:29 pm #10143AnonymousInactive
I don’t think anyone beats the halls more than I do at Etowah High School. With that said it has been tough to field large teams here. I don’t think we should penalize coaches / teams already busting their tales to get kids out.February 24, 2018 at 3:37 pm #10151AnonymousInactive
I see what you mean EtowahCoach. I just want the sport to grow. I think this rule would encourage that.
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